2834: Quantum Leaps in Cybersecurity With Quantinuum

[00:00:00] As we stand on the brink of a new era, quantum computing and cyber security are at the forefront

[00:00:08] of delivering commercial value and revolutionising numerous fields.

[00:00:13] And today's guest is Duncan Jones.

[00:00:15] He's from a company called Quentinium and he has over 15 years experience in cyber

[00:00:20] security cryptography and he's going to shed a little light today on how quantum computing

[00:00:26] can both post challenges to current encryption methods but also offer groundbreaking solutions

[00:00:32] for enhanced security.

[00:00:35] From quantum key distribution to quantum random number generation, I want to explore the

[00:00:41] positive applications of quantum computing in cyber security backed up by real world

[00:00:46] examples and partnership giants but in a language that we can all understand because

[00:00:51] I know when a few of you hear quantum computing and cryptography, you suddenly hear dock

[00:00:56] brown from back to the future shouting, great scut!

[00:01:00] But don't worry we're not going to leave anybody behind today.

[00:01:02] We're going to put it all in our language everyone can understand and learn more about

[00:01:05] how Quentinium's focus is on advancing hardware but also achieving computation milestones over

[00:01:13] the next decade.

[00:01:14] And this episode promises to be a glimpse into the future of technology but also show

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[00:02:13] So buckle up and hold on tight as I beam your ears all the way to Cambridge here in the

[00:02:18] UK where Duncan is waiting to take us into the quantum realm and discover the potential

[00:02:24] of quantum cyber security and much more.

[00:02:28] So a massive warm welcome to the show can you tell everyone listening a little about

[00:02:32] who you are and what you do?

[00:02:34] Hi there thank you for having me Neil my name is Duncan Jones and I oversee all of

[00:02:41] the cyber security activities at Continuum which is mostly focused around how do we use

[00:02:50] quantum as a force for good in cyber security.

[00:02:54] I'm actually new to the world of quantum in the last three or four years my background

[00:02:59] is in regular cyber security, I guess you would call it.

[00:03:04] So I've spent my career 15 or 16 years working for generally global cyber security companies

[00:03:12] working on cryptographic solutions that sort of thing, working with companies like Talis

[00:03:18] or in the IoT space with ARM and actually briefly some payments with world pay.

[00:03:25] So a bit of a varied background.

[00:03:28] Well incredible exciting space to be in at the moment and quantumium is known as the

[00:03:33] largest full stack quantum computing company and you're seeing now and co-founder shared

[00:03:38] the inspirational story or origin story behind the company and being inspired by Stephen

[00:03:44] Hawking on this show but anyone that's not heard that conversation.

[00:03:48] Can you just remind the listeners with a little more about essentially the kind of problems

[00:03:52] and business value that you offer at on tenement with your technology?

[00:03:58] Yeah sure so there's a very nice photo of Stephen in our boardroom with Ilius and the

[00:04:08] friend of anyone who missed the backstory, the extremely brief version of it is that Ilius

[00:04:13] and Stephen Hawking knew them knew each other very well and there was a moment back in the early

[00:04:19] 2010 sort of time frame where Stephen basically gave Ilius to Naldon so this is a real thing.

[00:04:26] This is going to go somewhere and Ilius promptly went off and started a company and

[00:04:34] fast forward ten years and it's now the largest quantum computing company in the world.

[00:04:40] We just had a significant fundraise at the start of the year that values us at around five

[00:04:46] billion dollars or something ludicrously large so it's a really exciting place to be at the moment.

[00:04:52] We describe ourselves as a full stack quantum computing company and what that means is

[00:04:59] we have teams working on sort of every layer in every area where quantum computing is going to

[00:05:07] have some advantage so that means from the sort of hardware layer and the physics layer we have

[00:05:13] people developing you know world class quantum computers themselves. So for example in the United

[00:05:20] States we have a pair of machines based around technology called trapped ions which is just one

[00:05:28] of the approaches that you can take when you're building quantum computers. It's a very promising

[00:05:34] direction to travel in and what is resulted in is a pair of machines that are demonstrating some

[00:05:40] really world class performance at the moment. Above that you're much like with a traditional

[00:05:46] computer you've got things like operating systems and software applications and you have similar

[00:05:55] similar items in the quantum world as well. So we've got groups focused on the emergence of

[00:06:01] operating systems and sort of very advanced compilers for quantum circuits and then on top

[00:06:08] of that is where the rubber meets the road and that's the application use cases so we've got

[00:06:14] groups focused on quantum chemistry and quantum machine learning and language processing and obviously

[00:06:22] we'll come back to cyber which is the art I lead but we're addressing you know real world challenges

[00:06:28] to some of our projects at the moment focus on things like seismic imaging so there's things you can

[00:06:33] do in with with quantum technology that can potentially reduce the amount of memory you need or

[00:06:39] make it faster to perform these calculations. We're doing things in you know very exotic sounding

[00:06:46] stuff like computational fluid dynamics which is all about you know how do you understand how air

[00:06:52] and liquids move past things so that's really helpful for simulating some of our customers

[00:06:58] and then another example maybe would be in the finance sector so you know Monte Carlo simulation

[00:07:04] is a very important topic for a lot of organizations that need to sort of do things like portfolio

[00:07:12] analysis and quantum promises speed ups there that might allow you know real shifts in time

[00:07:22] towards things like real-time analysis rather than you know having to take overnight position

[00:07:27] which is sort of how things are done today. So there's this whole kind of spectrum of

[00:07:31] use cases there are different degrees of maturity and in each of those areas I think we've

[00:07:39] managed to assemble a critical mass of world exports who are really pushing that forward.

[00:07:44] Fantastic and I will add a link to that conversation that we had with your founder I think it was

[00:07:49] episode 1,949 just under two years ago I'll add a link to the show notes so people can learn more

[00:07:55] about that inspirational backstory and more recently I was reading that quantum computing could

[00:08:01] generate novel answers to some of the biggest challenges that we face in a variety of industries

[00:08:07] including cybersecurity and just looking at the number of breaches in January and February this year

[00:08:13] already it is a huge topic so what is quantum cybersecurity? So that's incredibly interesting

[00:08:21] yes it's quite a broad field actually and you're right did we look at the kind of landscape

[00:08:26] we live in cyber threats and cyber risks are sadly always moving in the wrong direction so

[00:08:33] you people are always looking out for opportunities to take a step forward on the defensive side as well

[00:08:41] and so when you consider quantum cybersecurity there's two sides to that

[00:08:46] field so one side is focused on actually viewing quantum as a negative thing so

[00:08:57] we're incredibly excited about what quantum computers can do in a number of fields that's

[00:09:02] going to really revolutionize humanity's progress really but the problem is quantum computers can solve

[00:09:11] problems that we can't solve today and actually we rely upon that to keep some of our

[00:09:17] cybersecurity systems safe and secure so as these quantum computers become more powerful there

[00:09:23] is the potential for them to be misused to break into cryptographic systems and there is a particular

[00:09:31] quantum algorithm that was identified more than 20 years ago called Shores algorithm

[00:09:41] which would allow us to effectively break the mathematics used in a lot of cryptographic systems

[00:09:47] today so one half of quantum cybersecurity is focused on tackling that problem

[00:09:53] as a huge piece of work to migrate organizations and their IT infrastructure

[00:10:02] to start using different types of cryptography and these new types that are being developed

[00:10:08] are hoped and believed to be resistant to being broken on a quantum computer as well as on a

[00:10:15] on a classical computer so that that size very interesting it's getting a lot of press at the

[00:10:20] moment yeah we've seen the US government in particular taking a lead there and really

[00:10:26] driving and demanding organizations to take that threat seriously and to begin to

[00:10:32] you know respond to that but actually that's the side that I think is interesting but it's not

[00:10:38] quite as exciting as the idea of using quantum as a positive force in cybersecurity

[00:10:47] and the reason why we can do that is because you know if you sort of explore at any depth

[00:10:56] quantum computing and quantum physics it becomes clear very quickly that it's it's very different

[00:11:04] to what we're familiar with here with the physics that most of us just about caught wind of at school

[00:11:09] you know we will be on the kind of Newtonian kind of apples for you have to tree stuff

[00:11:15] into the weird and wacky world of quantum and some of the behaviors that you can witness and you can

[00:11:21] measure at a quantum level are really really interesting for cybersecurity and they provide

[00:11:28] opportunities for us to take parts of our cybersecurity infrastructure and make them stronger so

[00:11:36] actually reduce the likelihood that somebody can break this particular piece so for example

[00:11:43] one area that my team focuses on here is in a generation of random data so randomness is

[00:11:55] a really important topic in cryptography in general you can't really encrypt data securely or

[00:12:04] or do any kind of cryptography without a strong supplier randomness and that's just one example

[00:12:11] of how quantum behavior and quantum systems can help us achieve stronger cybersecurity because

[00:12:19] the guarantees that you get from quantum physics are far stronger than you can get from

[00:12:26] classical physics so we're able to generate stronger encryption keys for example using a

[00:12:31] quantum computer then we can with a with a classical computer and you provided one fantastic example

[00:12:38] how they you can use cybersecurity is a positive we're around quantum computing but any business

[00:12:44] leaves at all anybody in the cybersecurity industry listening wondering how this might work

[00:12:48] in their world are there any other use cases that you could share that would just help them

[00:12:52] understand how it would work in their world to yeah I can give you a couple of examples

[00:12:58] because yeah on the one hand this stuff can sound pretty like you know science fiction and

[00:13:04] unattainable and in fact the the opposite is true yeah some some of this technology is

[00:13:10] in production today and then some other solutions are coming down the path so if I if I just

[00:13:17] expand a bit on what I started with which is this topic of of randomness generation so this is

[00:13:23] something that yeah sounds very far fetched we're going to take into quantum physics and generate

[00:13:29] random data but actually it's it's it's entirely possible today and we're working with customers who

[00:13:36] have embedded this technology into their you know IT infrastructure and in many cases we actually

[00:13:42] work with cyber security vendors who add that into their products and the reason why we're able

[00:13:48] to do this today is because we have quantum computers they exist and although they are not yet at a

[00:13:56] stage where they can solve you know some of the complex problems we want to tackle in in you

[00:14:03] know chemistry or material modeling all these sorts of exotic things but for the task of

[00:14:09] generating randomness that we can prove is actually really random and we already have all the

[00:14:16] capacity that we need they're ready powerful enough for that use case so that that is something

[00:14:21] that is actually deployed today we have a product called entomarjan it was designed specifically

[00:14:28] for this and so we can embed our technology into you know even the laptop you're using right now

[00:14:35] to speak to me we we could put our software in into your laptop it contains some data that we've

[00:14:43] generated on a real quantum computer and then it result is that your your laptop generates

[00:14:49] stronger encryption keys and it's and it's you know it reduces the risk of sophisticated attacks

[00:14:56] so that's something that's available in here and now if we look slightly further down the line

[00:15:02] there's another technology that's there's getting a lot of interest which is called quantum key

[00:15:07] distribution so this tackles a sort of a related problem so okay you know maybe maybe

[00:15:15] near with your kind of you know super advanced quantum origin technology inside your laptop you're

[00:15:21] now generating the best keys in the world but often you have to share a key with somebody you

[00:15:27] know if you want to actually communicate securely with somebody they have to have the same key as you

[00:15:31] it's a bit like you know locking a box and sending it to somebody they can't open the box

[00:15:36] unless they have the key so there are some traditional approaches to solving this using you know

[00:15:44] typical classical technologies but quantum provides some more interesting ingredients here that

[00:15:50] might make the solution even stronger so we can actually exchange quantum information with each other

[00:15:57] so qubits rather than digital bits and one of the properties of quantum physics is you can

[00:16:05] prove that nobody else has basically listened into your conversation so if you and I successfully

[00:16:13] share a key using this this quantum key distribution we can actually prove to ourselves with the laws

[00:16:19] of physics that nobody else knows that key it's just me and you that's just a really interesting

[00:16:25] property and it could promise stronger communications going forward that one though as a technology

[00:16:32] it's a little bit less mature and so we're seeing lots of examples of people deploying this at small

[00:16:38] scales but for it to become production ready and and deployed at scale like the like the first

[00:16:45] use case a little bit more time is passed we have some technical challenges to overcome

[00:16:51] but I don't doubt that we will get there so I think quantum key distribution will be an important part

[00:16:56] of communication security in the years ahead incredibly cool and I'm not sure how much you're going

[00:17:04] to be able to share with me but I'm going to try anyway because you probably lock down as to

[00:17:08] what you can share but are you able to discuss any collaborations or partnerships that you are

[00:17:14] exploring right now it any or if you can't any teases or that you couldn't leave us with yeah

[00:17:19] there are a few we can mention and one of the challenges I think you're alluding to in the

[00:17:24] cyber security spaces that when you work with people sometimes they are proud to talk about it

[00:17:28] and sometimes they want to keep it secret because everything they do is about secrecy but

[00:17:33] yeah there's a few examples that might help people kind of make this less abstract so

[00:17:39] for example one use case we have is we're working with Honeywell which you know we're both from

[00:17:46] the UK and for some reason in the UK when you say Honeywell people just think of thermostats

[00:17:51] and radiators yeah but if it globally Honeywell is a huge organization that they're

[00:17:57] everything from aviation systems to critical infrastructure so in that arena critical infrastructure

[00:18:05] we have a use case with Honeywell so they've deployed this quantum origin technology

[00:18:12] into their smart meter infrastructure and so if you sort of think about where the greatest risks

[00:18:21] lie for nation state attacks or we've kind of seen with the sad situation in Ukraine that

[00:18:29] cyber warfare is a real part of modern warfare and critical infrastructure gets its name because

[00:18:39] clearly if you can interfere with the for example the electricity grid you can really cause a lot

[00:18:44] of problems so it's an area where security is critical and so Honeywell in this case has deployed

[00:18:50] quantum origin into their infrastructure to strengthen the cryptography strength and the keys

[00:18:56] that are being generated there on a sort of related note we want another one about partners is

[00:19:02] an organization called talus they are a well they're global organization headquartered in

[00:19:08] in France and again they do everything from you know battleships down to you know IOT devices but

[00:19:17] they have a cyber security division and they're one of the leaders or enterprise cyber security

[00:19:25] and so last month we actually launched an initiative with talus which we're calling the the PQC

[00:19:32] starter kits so here PQC referring to post quantum cryptography which is the name given to these

[00:19:41] new algorithms that will resist quantum attack and so actually we're we're sort of

[00:19:47] merging together there the two sides of the industry that I was talking about earlier so you know

[00:19:51] that's a that's a technical offering that allows organizations to start exploring what it means

[00:19:58] to become ready to face the quantum threat and at the same time embracing quantum as part of

[00:20:05] the solution so you kind of get the best of both worlds there and maybe one more example because

[00:20:11] I don't want to 20 of them but just to give you a sense of the range of things that we we encounter

[00:20:19] we had a pretty cool project recently with an art or in Japan called Eglis and the problem being

[00:20:27] solved there is you know everybody's embracing artificial intelligence and machine learning and

[00:20:34] you know the the opportunities there are vast but there is always this cyber security headache like

[00:20:41] you can I can I trust that I can send my data to this organization over here so they could do

[00:20:49] some kind of cool machine learning stuff on it and send it back to me is that okay do I trust

[00:20:54] them with my data so Eglis has developed a technology that allows allows that third party to

[00:21:03] operate on your data while it's still encrypted so they don't get to see what your data is but

[00:21:08] you get to benefit from sort of their processing of it I guess and so again we integrated our

[00:21:15] quantum origin software into that and it's part of a whole sort of quantum resistant approach

[00:21:21] they've taken to security so that's you know some of the things we're doing in the cyber space

[00:21:25] and it does seem to be a real I guess uptick of interest at the moment obviously continue as a

[00:21:32] whole does many things beyond cyber security so yeah there's there's announcements on a regular

[00:21:38] basis about our work with partners so we work with for example leading high performance computing

[00:21:45] centers and AI centers so places like Reekim in Japan who are actually who've actually purchased

[00:21:53] one of our quantum computers for their own research or in the United States we work with Oak Ridge

[00:21:59] National Laboratory for example but we see a lot of interest in the enterprise space as well

[00:22:06] so we're working with people like BMW, Airbus, Equinole, JPMC, HSBC all the acronyms

[00:22:14] yeah we've got a lot of collaborations in flight as these organizations explore quantum generally

[00:22:20] and how it can shape their businesses and as you said earlier in your answer there about Honeywell

[00:22:26] over in the UK we're automatically assuming he ain't getting an radiate isn't I think it'd be about

[00:22:31] three or four years ago I had a guy from Honeywell quantum solutions on here I think his name was

[00:22:36] Brian Nayan who is just something like that and I think he's since gone on to to

[00:22:41] quantum him himself do you know maybe have you bumped into a limiter?

[00:22:45] yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and I don't know Brian yeah so a couple of years ago the team at Honeywell

[00:22:53] that had been working on quantum computers actually merged with the company that Ilius who we

[00:22:59] were talking about at the start founded and actually that is where continuum came from so we

[00:23:05] we were an organization born from two of the leading companies in quantum so one were the leader

[00:23:11] in quantum software the other was a leader in quantum hardware so yeah Brian yeah stayed on board

[00:23:18] and he's still with the company today oh wow fantastic small world I know that's amazing

[00:23:25] I'm curious I mean you've mentioned some pretty big names here what kind of feedbacks

[00:23:30] well what kind of feedback did you get from them did you did it blow their mind initially or when

[00:23:35] they already well versed to know well it's capability is where what kind of feedback did you get

[00:23:39] from them I mean there's been a lot of interest in positive feedback about our quantum computers

[00:23:46] themselves yeah one of the things we hear regularly is that because of the very high

[00:23:52] quality of those machines you know researchers in these large organizations can it can achieve

[00:23:58] things and perform experiments on our machines that they haven't been able to do before so there's a

[00:24:04] lot of positivity there around what is possible and I think the other thing I hear as well and

[00:24:14] I think the sort of the feedback we get from customers and the market as a whole is that we've

[00:24:20] really tried to lead on scientific integrity and you know minimizing the hype that so often

[00:24:31] surrounds you know quantum computing as a whole and also quantum cybersecurity so we're very careful

[00:24:41] before you know before we announce something it is it is scientifically backed and it is credible

[00:24:47] and I think that has developed a reputation for our organization in the industry

[00:24:52] um on the side beside I think we we have a lot of conversations where

[00:24:59] you know people are not clear what the future looks like and so you know some of our conversations

[00:25:04] are really around explaining this world and helping people understand what they need to do

[00:25:09] the positive feedback we get on the cyber side is that people are surprised how easy it is to

[00:25:15] integrate and use our technology you know it sounds horrifically complicated uh you know

[00:25:21] that it's there's a quantum computer involved somewhere in this solution and when they discover

[00:25:27] them that actually it's a it's a piece of software that they can put onto a laptop or they can plug

[00:25:32] it into a Linux system or put it into their IoT device and it just works out the box that that

[00:25:37] tends to tends to maze people actually incredible and a salon right in the heart of this

[00:25:44] film style to speak here what excites you about the potential of quantum computing and makes

[00:25:51] you almost maybe want to jump out of bed in the morning what excites you about this?

[00:25:55] Well I'm genuinely excited every day because you know because my background hasn't been in

[00:25:59] quantum I never thought I would uh you know deserve a place in this industry so every day I'm

[00:26:05] pinching myself that this science is evolving around me and somehow I get to be a very small part

[00:26:12] of it and it's really exciting on the on the cyber side and I'm excited by the grounds

[00:26:18] well of interest in the in the technologies you know I think three or four years ago this

[00:26:24] this we sort of concepts were floating around they were very nascent and I think people saw them

[00:26:28] as science projects and month after month now though I see the interest in this topic growing

[00:26:36] you know I see LinkedIn exploding with commentary on most quantum photography and quantum technology

[00:26:44] and as I speak to organizations they're more and more familiar with this stuff that you know

[00:26:50] they're asking intelligent questions it's clear they've done their homework and now they're

[00:26:54] really looking to do something about it so on the side I think it's just about that rate of

[00:26:59] progress that I think is very exciting and and then we look further ahead I think you know the

[00:27:06] quantum networks and the ability to send quantum information around I think that's going

[00:27:10] to be game-changing as that begins to mature on the computer side again we're at this really

[00:27:17] we're at a tipping point now where we're going to start seeing

[00:27:22] the quantum computers can do things that can't be done on a you know even the biggest

[00:27:27] classical super computers and that you know we're at that moment now and so in the months and

[00:27:33] years ahead we're going to really start to see these milestones being hit and you know as things

[00:27:39] like error correction which is a very big topic in quantum computers you know how would you get

[00:27:44] these computers to keep doing their calculations and not be as set by you know ever growing

[00:27:50] accumulation of errors and you know as strides are taken forward in that direction as the computers

[00:27:57] get bigger we're just going to see the series of milestones being knocked down over the next year

[00:28:02] 18 months and so I'm really excited and not so involved in that myself I'm going to have a

[00:28:07] you know front row passion to see you know these announcements coming out

[00:28:11] yeah she's heard it isn't incredibly exciting time and just before you hopped on to speak with

[00:28:16] me today in this podcast I was reading about how m it and i b m are finding clever AI ways around

[00:28:23] brute force math which just blew my mind reading that article and apologies that we have got

[00:28:28] to nearly 30 minutes and I've mentioned the AI word but I've got no ask what's next for

[00:28:33] quantumium and what is your big focus anything you can share there well I think it's um it's really

[00:28:38] around hitting these milestones that I'm talking about yeah so you know we have teams working on

[00:28:45] improving the hardware we've got teams you know making real advances in the error correction stuff

[00:28:50] that I was talking about and you know our hardware roadmap is designed around this idea of

[00:28:59] continuously upgrading our machines so looking ahead over the next 12 months we're going to be seeing

[00:29:05] those milestones being here we're going to see problems being solved for the first time that you

[00:29:10] just can't you know simulate on a classical computer because that's the crazy thing up until you know

[00:29:16] about now whatever you did a quantum computer you could you could effectively run it on a very

[00:29:22] powerful classical computer and simulate what the result should be we're about to leave that behind

[00:29:27] us now go into the unknown world where you know the quantum computers have gone beyond what could be

[00:29:32] done classically in some areas so I think our focus really is on our hardware road maps and

[00:29:39] delivering upon our promises there and the cyber sector which is obviously my my little domain

[00:29:45] and it's really about just continuing the production run out of this technology building more

[00:29:50] integrations into systems and just really trying to keep up with the demand and interest in this

[00:29:56] in this technology well I think that's a very powerful moment to end on but before I do let you go

[00:30:01] a big thank you for showing your insights today but I'm going to ask you to leave one more final

[00:30:06] gift to everyone listening and that is a song that means something to you that we can add to

[00:30:11] our Spotify playlist or a book to the Amazon wishlist but all I'm going to ask is what would you

[00:30:16] like to leave everyone listening with them why I think I think I'd probably get on the book route

[00:30:21] because I'm a bit a big reader and if I think back at the book that probably had the biggest impact

[00:30:27] on me when I read it it's a book called The Four Hour Work Week was written by a sort of a

[00:30:34] self-experiment to call the Tim Ferris and it's it's I've never achieved a four hour work

[00:30:41] we just to be clear but I read it at the start of my career and I think it really shaped

[00:30:46] how I approach work and how I try and stay on top of a lot of things going on and

[00:30:52] certainly in this job over the last three years I've needed you know those tricks more than ever so

[00:30:57] I think that's uh I don't know how you know whether it stands the test of time but when I read it

[00:31:01] back in 2007 it was really really influenced me so I think that would be my answer yeah it's a

[00:31:08] cracking book I will add that straight to the Amazon wishlist and for anyone listening just want

[00:31:13] to find out more information about you but quantum technology about the work that you're doing

[00:31:17] well do you like to point everyone listening? Well two places I think um you know we publish

[00:31:22] everything we're doing as an organization at ontinium.com so that would be one place to look

[00:31:29] if you are particularly interested in in the side security side of things you can find me on LinkedIn

[00:31:34] and I post pretty regularly about the industry and what's going on and so that would be another

[00:31:39] place to to look at testing well I'll add those links so people can fire you nicely so

[00:31:45] as we said at the very outset of this podcast quantum it is the largest full stack quantum

[00:31:50] computing company I just saying those words at the beginning of the podcast might have

[00:31:54] intimidated a few people listening but I just love how we've been able to demystify this technology

[00:31:59] talk about the real world value business problems it will solve etc and the problems around

[00:32:03] cyber security absolutely incredible what you're doing here but just thank you for putting in

[00:32:08] language everyone can understand thanks for joining me today thanks for having me.

[00:32:13] For me Duncan's expertise has illuminated the dual nature of quantum computing and cyber security

[00:32:18] anyhow I've had both the challenges and the incredible opportunity is that it presents for

[00:32:23] strengthening our digital defenses and with real world applications already underway and a vision

[00:32:29] for the next decade that promises even more groundbreaking advancements it's clear

[00:32:34] the quantum era is already here and it's unfolding before our very eyes so as we continue to

[00:32:40] navigate these uncharted digital waters one thing remains certain diffusion of quantum computing

[00:32:46] and cyber security will be a key driver of innovation offering new ways to protect

[00:32:52] and enhance our digital world so big thank you to Duncan for sharing his profound knowledge

[00:32:57] and the vision for quantumium with us today but over to you the future is quantum and the

[00:33:03] possibilities are fast as the universe itself but what are your thoughts on the potential of quantum

[00:33:08] computing especially in cyber security but after any other areas that you're in the heart

[00:33:14] I'd love to hear from you too so please email me now tech blog right to outlook.com twitter

[00:33:20] linkedin instagram just at nilc use but that's it for today so until next time stay curious stay

[00:33:26] informed keep looking towards the future see you tomorrow

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