2906: Inside Syensqo: Leading the Charge in Sustainable Technology

[00:00:00] Is the pathway to innovation a journey we walk alone? Or are there unseen forces and

[00:00:08] helping hands guiding us along the way? Well today on Tech Talks Daily I want to explore

[00:00:14] the world of advanced technologies with Mike Fennelly, Chief Technology and Innovation

[00:00:19] Officer at Science Co. Now Mike brings over three decades of experience in the chemical

[00:00:26] industry and also stands at the forefront of the green energy transition. And today

[00:00:32] I want to learn more about how Science Co. and more than 2,000 scientists around the

[00:00:37] world are transforming chemical production through cutting edge AI and are also spearheading

[00:00:42] the development of lithium battery materials, which of course are essential for the next

[00:00:47] generation of electric vehicles. And Mike will also share personal insights on some

[00:00:53] of the pivotal figures and principles that have shaped his career and vision. So buckle

[00:00:59] up and hold on tight as I beam your ears all the way to Georgia, where Mike is waiting

[00:01:04] to join us today. So a massive warm welcome to the show Mike. Can you tell everyone listening

[00:01:11] a little about who you are and what you do?

[00:01:14] Thanks Neil. Really it's a pleasure to be here. So I'm Mike Fennelly. I'm the CTO, that's

[00:01:20] Chief Technology and Innovation Officer for a company called Science Co. I'm also

[00:01:24] the Chief North America Officer, so I overlook our operations in North America. So what do

[00:01:30] I do? The primary role that I have is the CTO role, which is to oversee our 2,000 scientists.

[00:01:40] Science Co. is a brand new company. We're about five months old, but we have 160 year

[00:01:45] history. So we're a spin-off of a company called Solvay. We have 2,000 scientists. We

[00:01:51] call ourselves explorers looking for the next scientific breakthrough. And as you can see

[00:01:55] from the name Science Co., spelled S-Y-E-N-S-Q-O, science is in our name.

[00:02:02] What an incredibly cool name and cool story too. And for people just hearing about you

[00:02:08] guys, as you said Science Co., you're explorers ultimately, experts in science, ultimately

[00:02:14] just passionate about all its possibilities. And just to set the scene for our conversation

[00:02:19] today with the upcoming groundbreaking of Science Co.'s flagship site in Augusta, I've

[00:02:27] got to ask, how do you envision this facility contributing to the US clean energy landscape

[00:02:33] and particularly within the battery belt too? And we do have a lot of people listening all

[00:02:37] around the world, so you might want to expand on what that is too.

[00:02:40] Yeah. So as you just mentioned, we broke ground, I should say late last week, right? It was

[00:02:45] Thursday last week. We had a fantastic ceremony. We had attendees from the White House, from

[00:02:51] the Department of Energy, local government. We had our customers there. Most of the battery

[00:02:56] customers that you've probably heard of were in attendance and our partner Orbia, who is

[00:03:02] also critical to this project. We have a joint venture and they're bringing the key critical

[00:03:06] minerals to the table for this investment. The goal here that we're doing is we're building

[00:03:13] a really important product that's required for the performance of a lithium ion battery.

[00:03:21] What this product is, it's called PVDF and it's a binder for the cathode. So think of

[00:03:27] it as a glue that keeps all the ingredients inside the cathode together doing the job

[00:03:31] they're meant to do. And our materials are the most advanced out there and they allow

[00:03:38] the battery maker to put more active ingredient into the battery, increasing the energy density,

[00:03:43] which what does that mean for the average person driving a car? It helps extend the

[00:03:47] range of the vehicle. So it helps solve range anxiety. What's exciting about this plant

[00:03:52] is it's really helping to build this battery infrastructure in North America. The entire

[00:03:58] supply chain is coming from North America, from the critical mineral that I mentioned,

[00:04:02] all of the upstream raw materials, the major key raw materials we're building together with our

[00:04:08] partner Orbia. Part of those plants will be in Louisiana and then the finished product will be,

[00:04:14] as we talked about in Augusta, Georgia. And having this local infrastructure is critical

[00:04:22] for the North America battery industry. Everybody's worried about sustainability

[00:04:28] and having global supply chains. One, you got to worry about reliability. When things like the

[00:04:33] Suez Canal, when that ship got stuck, that shut down all the supply chains around the world.

[00:04:38] When there, unfortunately, there's conflict in the world, that gets in the way. And also

[00:04:43] sustainability, right? More and more, our customers are asking us to be sustainable.

[00:04:48] Producing locally, we reduce the carbon footprint of the supply chain, which is really,

[00:04:53] really important. So having this plant in the United States will allow us to supply up to 5,000,

[00:04:59] sorry, 5 million electric vehicles by 2030. So it's really exciting and we're happy to be part

[00:05:06] of it. And we're happy to receive a $170 million grant from the Department of Energy, which really

[00:05:12] helped us make the decision to put this plant here in the United States.

[00:05:15] And one of the things I think I should highlight, having done a little research on you before you

[00:05:19] came on the podcast is that 80% of ScienceCo's innovation pipeline is all driven by sustainable

[00:05:26] solutions. And we're hearing a lot about sustainability, ESG scores, decarbonization,

[00:05:32] et cetera. So I guess the big question I should be asking you on behalf of everyone listening

[00:05:36] around the world is how are these innovations helping to tackle the challenges around

[00:05:41] decarbonization? And what are some of the specific advancements that maybe you're most excited about?

[00:05:49] Absolutely. No, thanks for bringing that up because it's something that we do at ScienceCo.

[00:05:53] It's not done by many companies out there. We do what's called a sustainable portfolio matrix,

[00:05:59] right? So SPM, we call it. And think of it as a vertical and a horizontal axis. On the vertical

[00:06:06] axis, we're looking at about 20 different factors about the product that we're going to innovate.

[00:06:11] Because you mentioned that 80% of our portfolio is in what we call sustainable solutions. So I think

[00:06:17] it's important to explain what that is. So on the vertical axis, we look at about 20 different

[00:06:22] factors about the product that we're going to design and make. What's the carbon footprint

[00:06:26] of that process? We call it life cycle analysis, right? From the manufacturing, the energy

[00:06:32] consumption, the water's consumption, waste emissions. We look at all of these different

[00:06:36] factors. And then on the horizontal axis, we're looking at the value that it brings to the

[00:06:41] customer with respect to sustainability. Is it helping them reduce their carbon footprint?

[00:06:45] Are we bringing a product to the market that's going to help with an energy transition to get

[00:06:50] away from burning fossil fuels, for example? So we look at about 60 factors on that side.

[00:06:55] And when you plot these two into a matrix, you look at where you have a very low carbon footprint

[00:07:02] on the product and a very high value for the customer or the industry from a sustainability

[00:07:07] standpoint. And you end up in the bucket that we call sustainable solutions. So we're looking

[00:07:13] at applications and we're looking at designing molecules that

[00:07:18] bring products to the market that help our customers decarbonize their footprint.

[00:07:22] Another, you asked about examples of what else we're working on. So we talked about lithium ion

[00:07:26] batteries, obviously materials that help batteries go further, materials that help next generation

[00:07:32] batteries like solid state batteries. That's the holy grail of batteries. We have the first pilot

[00:07:38] plant in Europe to make sulfide chemistry, which is the leading technology for solid electrodes.

[00:07:44] This will allow batteries to have a range of 600, 700 miles with very fast charging,

[00:07:49] very safe profile. That's a little bit further down the road, probably end of the decade.

[00:07:54] The other area we're spending a lot of our research and development is in green hydrogen.

[00:07:59] Some people say, oh, we don't like the colors, green, blue, gray. Let's just say zero emission

[00:08:05] hydrogen, right? So clean hydrogen, but we're talking about zero emission hydrogen. What we do

[00:08:10] here is we develop the ionomeric, it's an ionomer membrane that actually is the membrane that splits

[00:08:18] water, H2O into HNO. And as long as you charge that electrolyzer with green energy, so solar or

[00:08:26] wind, you produce hydrogen with zero emissions. And then on the consumption, you have a fuel cell

[00:08:33] where you can burn the hydrogen directly. In the fuel cell, we have the same membrane and you

[00:08:40] recombine the hydrogen with oxygen from the air and you generate energy and you have water as the

[00:08:47] only byproduct. So you have a complete circular loop. We start with water, we end with water.

[00:08:52] And as long as you use green energy to drive it, you have a completely zero emission technology.

[00:08:58] And I think it's pretty clear if we want to get to carbon neutral by 2050 or beyond,

[00:09:04] we're not going to do it without a hydrogen, a clean green hydrogen economy. And science goes

[00:09:09] right in the middle of that. And I love how you're using technology here to drive positive and

[00:09:15] meaningful change that can impact our world that we all share here. And also as electric vehicles,

[00:09:22] obviously they're gaining momentum. I was also reading how PVDF, that plays a pivotal role in

[00:09:29] electric vehicle batteries, particularly in enhancing their range and efficiency. And you

[00:09:33] gave some great examples there a few moments ago. But can you explain the technological edge that

[00:09:39] ScienceCo's PVDF binder offers to what it offers differently from other materials currently

[00:09:45] available in the market? Appreciate the question. So yeah, that's the plant that we're building in

[00:09:49] Georgia that we had the groundbreaking ceremony on. And as we said, you know, PVDF is a

[00:09:55] polymer, it's a fluorinated polymer that can withstand really high temperatures. It's got

[00:10:02] super stability, non-flammable. And when you put this in there as a binder in a lithium-ion battery,

[00:10:09] it allows the battery to charge faster. Because you ever plug your phone in and charge it,

[00:10:14] and when it's done charging, you touch it, it's warm? Yeah. Well, that's the energy going in. Now,

[00:10:18] imagine a car battery, which is, you need to charge it quickly. You start putting a lot of

[00:10:24] voltage into that to charge it quickly, that battery gets really hot. And other binders,

[00:10:29] they fail. They stop working, they can decompose. The PVDF can handle that environment, right?

[00:10:36] Now, there are other people that make PVDF out there. So what makes our PVDF better? And by the

[00:10:41] way, PVDF has been the standard material in lithium-ion batteries as the binder for over 20

[00:10:46] years. So this is something we developed, the concept 20 years ago for the industry. But we're

[00:10:53] continually inventing new PVDF molecules that are better glues. Remember earlier I mentioned,

[00:10:58] think of it as the glue that keeps all the ingredients together. The better it acts as a

[00:11:03] glue, the less you need, right? So they're always looking at how do we reduce costs,

[00:11:08] so if we can reduce the amount of PVDF that's needed. They can also put in more active ingredient,

[00:11:15] which is critical. So we make better binders, if you will, that allow the battery maker to put more

[00:11:22] active ingredients together in the battery, which allows them to extend the range of a battery.

[00:11:27] Everybody wants a battery that goes further, right? 100%. A question I've got to ask is a

[00:11:32] company that's right at the forefront of EV battery materials development, what would you say

[00:11:37] are the next generation battery technologies that you believe will significantly impact this

[00:11:43] industry? And how are you at Science Co. contributing to some of these developments?

[00:11:47] Because it feels like a really exciting space right now. It is, Neil, it really is. And well,

[00:11:53] what I would say is the industry has a roadmap, right? Today, the cars that are driving around,

[00:11:57] they have, some of them have what we call generation two batteries, right? And some

[00:12:03] newer ones are having what we call generation three batteries, which are higher voltage

[00:12:07] batteries and have a higher energy density. And that's something that I think will take over the

[00:12:14] next couple of years. And what you have here is what we call high voltage batteries. It may sound

[00:12:19] strange, but just moving the voltage of a cell, right? So keep in mind, a battery is made up of

[00:12:23] a bunch of small cells, whether they're cylindrical or pouches, there's a variety of

[00:12:27] different types. Increasing that from 3.6, 3.7 to 4, 4.2 doesn't sound like a big jump, but it's a

[00:12:35] huge gain in energy density. The problem with that is the materials that go into the battery,

[00:12:41] into the cathode and anode, they need to change because they need to handle higher temperatures

[00:12:46] for charging. You want fast charging. People talk about fast charging a lot. When you start charging,

[00:12:52] you start putting higher voltages, you need more stable ingredients in the batteries. You need

[00:12:57] better binders, which we already talked about, we're working on, but you need new salts, right?

[00:13:01] So in a cathode, you have the cathode active material, but you also have salts, you have

[00:13:06] solvents. You need solvents that are non-flammable. You need electrolytes and salts that can handle

[00:13:13] the higher temperature range and stability. And we're working on both of those. So we have a

[00:13:18] product called Energain, which is a replacement solvent for the batteries today, and it's

[00:13:25] significantly less chance of fires. And we also have the next generation salt, which will be more

[00:13:32] stable for high voltage batteries and faster charging called LIFSI. And this is a new electrolyte

[00:13:37] salt that we're developing and planning on bringing to the market in the next couple of years.

[00:13:43] And as I already mentioned for the Holy Grail, the next generation we call Gen 4 batteries.

[00:13:49] This is the solid state batteries, right? This is where you don't have any liquid

[00:13:53] electrolyte anymore. And the electrode itself is a solid material. So we already have, as I

[00:13:59] mentioned, the first pilot in Europe, we're making sulfide chemistry. So that's the material that

[00:14:04] will be the solid electrode. And this has the potential to bring batteries to the market with

[00:14:09] ranges in the range of six, 700 miles, a thousand kilometers if you do metric. So really,

[00:14:15] really exciting future and these batteries will charge faster, they'll be safer,

[00:14:20] with much further range. So that's kind of the roadmap for the next decade or so.

[00:14:24] And science goes right in the middle of it, bringing the key materials to the market.

[00:14:29] And there's also a lot of hype around AI right now. And on this podcast, I always try to get

[00:14:34] people thinking beyond that hype and learning more about how it's solving real world problems.

[00:14:39] And this is something else that put you guys on my radar, leveraging AI in chemical production and

[00:14:45] how that can lead to transformative efficiencies and breakthroughs. So can you expand on that and

[00:14:51] maybe share how Science Co is integrating AI into your processes and maybe share any notable outcomes

[00:14:59] of this strategy as well? Because as I said, there's so much hype around this at the moment,

[00:15:02] but these real world examples, real world stories of a huge difference that you can make.

[00:15:09] Again, it's incredibly exciting, isn't it?

[00:15:11] Well, I'm glad you asked that question. I got to tell you, I'm really passionate about AI. I love

[00:15:17] it. And I see tremendous potential. Now, we'll talk about what we're doing now and what we see

[00:15:22] potential for the future. But Science Co, as I said, our predecessor Solve, we were a spin-off,

[00:15:28] as I mentioned. We've been using AI and machine learning for over a decade now.

[00:15:33] And we've been using it in our plants to improve our quality. When you have, at a chemical plant,

[00:15:40] we collect literally tens of millions of pieces of data over the year during production.

[00:15:46] And you find out when... This happens in a lot of different manufacturing. All of a sudden,

[00:15:52] you have super good quality, you have great quality, you have great yields. You get what

[00:15:57] we call the golden batch, right? So, you get a production run that just is the best you've ever

[00:16:01] seen. And you want to know, well, how do I duplicate that, right? Ultimately, if you could

[00:16:06] duplicate that, you can improve your quality consistently, you can improve the yields of your

[00:16:12] plants. So, what we do with AI is we use the AI to crunch the data, the millions of pieces of data

[00:16:19] that come from a plant. And we understand why, and we use the AI and the machine learning to

[00:16:28] understand why we were able to produce that, what were the temperature, what was the special little

[00:16:33] conditions that allowed that to happen? And then what we do is with typically minor

[00:16:38] investment, we're able to make sure that we hit that every time. We've seen improvements in quality,

[00:16:44] significant improvements in quality. We've seen 20, 30% improvement in yields out of the plant.

[00:16:50] So, we've been doing this type of work for years, right? And that's a very effective way of AI,

[00:16:56] of using AI. But what's exciting to me is the next generation, right? So, the big hype,

[00:17:01] and if you're reading, and I know you're very familiar with it, is the generative AI, right?

[00:17:06] You know, five years ago, people were saying, well, you know, AI is never going to be able to

[00:17:11] create. You know, it's never going to, you know, a lot of people talked about music or art. Well,

[00:17:16] that's not our interest, music or art. I mean, it's very exciting that it can do that. But what

[00:17:20] I like, it can create design of molecules. It can create interesting experiments that we may not have

[00:17:29] thought of. So, one of the things I see for the future is how can we use generative AI to help us

[00:17:36] create new molecules, right? It's being done in the pharmaceutical industry. You've probably read,

[00:17:40] you know, universities or somebody's, they've come up with, you know, a million different

[00:17:44] molecules and they've used the generative AI to develop them, but then narrow that down to a

[00:17:49] handful that are manageable, that, you know, they think are the best chances of success to deliver

[00:17:55] the performances that you're looking for. So, that's how we'll use this. I see it as a way to

[00:18:00] help us create new ideas. But also, when we run an experiment, we have to run sometimes 100, 200,

[00:18:08] 300 experiments to narrow it down to the prototypes that we want to start sampling

[00:18:14] customers. But with generative AI, we should be able to predict the molecules and develop the

[00:18:21] molecule, design the molecules that have a better chance of success. So, I could reduce the number

[00:18:26] of experiments down to tens instead of hundreds. And if I can do that, I can bring solutions to my

[00:18:31] customers faster. And that's super exciting for us and super exciting for the customers.

[00:18:36] So, in your role as Chief Technology and Innovation Officer, I'm curious, how do you

[00:18:42] balance the push for rapid innovation with the operational demands of managing such a vast team

[00:18:47] and tech portfolio right across North America? Because I would imagine it's not as easy as it

[00:18:53] sounds and it is quite a tricky balance sometimes.

[00:18:56] Well, it is a tricky balance. And these 2,000 sites, by the way, are spread all around the

[00:19:02] world. I mean, I oversee North America from an operations, but the CTIO role is global.

[00:19:07] And we have about 25 R&I centers around the world. So, coordinating these teams is not particularly

[00:19:14] easy. But we have teams that are developed around technologies, right? So, we have what we call

[00:19:21] global business units. And there are teams that work on, for example, in our business unit,

[00:19:27] NovaCare, it's called. They're doing a lot with shampoos. So, if you shampooed your hair this

[00:19:32] morning, chances are, 25% chance you used Science Co. ingredients. That team, we have a team there

[00:19:39] working on the next generation ingredients that go into shampoos and go into conditioners that

[00:19:44] are going to be bio-based and or biodegradable by design. So, we have teams that are focused

[00:19:49] around that, biodegradable by design. We have a platform called Biotechnology and Bioresources.

[00:19:55] This platform is focused on using biotechnology. So, we actually take microorganisms like bacteria,

[00:20:02] proteins, enzymes, and we program them, if you will, right? So, we change the DNA

[00:20:07] and then we do fermentation processes with these microorganisms to generate chemistry that we can

[00:20:15] then use in our products. So, there's another platform we talked about that's around green

[00:20:22] hydrogen, as I mentioned. And we have another platform around the lithium ion batteries,

[00:20:26] which we've talked a lot about. And there's a fourth one around light weighting, which is

[00:20:30] thermoplastic composites. So, we kind of build our 2,000 scientists are built around,

[00:20:37] designed around technologies and businesses. So, that's kind of how you kind of have to attack it

[00:20:45] and you break it down into pieces. And then there's a lot of support that goes across both,

[00:20:50] right? Because there's certain expertises and certain skill sets that we need that are kind

[00:20:57] of universal. So, at the group level, at the corporate level, we'll keep some of that

[00:21:01] expertise there and we'll support the different businesses as needed. So, if we were to look ahead,

[00:21:07] what would you say are some of the key challenges and opportunities that you see for the chemical

[00:21:12] industry and its journey towards greater sustainability, towards technological

[00:21:17] integration? What excites you there and what obstacles do you see in the way that you're

[00:21:22] overcoming? So, there's something that I'll start by saying, the chemical industry is the mother of

[00:21:29] all other industries, right? I really, I challenge people to find anything man-made in their life

[00:21:37] that look around the room you're in, look around your house, point to anything in there. I challenge

[00:21:43] you to find anything in there that didn't come from, at least in the beginning, from the chemical

[00:21:47] industry. And because of that, it's the chemical industry that's going to bring the new materials

[00:21:54] that are low carbon. We're going to bring the new technologies that help us decarbonize the planet.

[00:21:59] So, when I look down the road, I see tremendous opportunity for the chemical industry, right? I

[00:22:05] mean, there's a lot of things coming together. There's the energy transition, there's

[00:22:08] electrification, there's AI, generative AI, automation. I've been doing this 30 years,

[00:22:14] right? And when all of these things, I've never seen this many megatrends coming together.

[00:22:18] And to get us there, the foundation is going to be built by the chemical industry. So, that really

[00:22:24] excites me and that's what gets me up and gets me going in the morning. Yeah, I completely agree

[00:22:31] with you. We hear a lot around megatrends, emerging technologies, what they mean, but as you said

[00:22:38] when they all begin to converge, that's where the magic happens. And we started the podcast today

[00:22:43] talking about you, your origin story and the great work that you're doing. But I'm now going

[00:22:48] to ask you to look back at your career because I think none of us are able to achieve any degree

[00:22:53] of success without a little help along the way. Very often it's someone that just sees something

[00:22:58] in us. Maybe they invest a little time into it. So, I've got to ask, is there a particular person

[00:23:03] that you are grateful towards that maybe helped you get where you are today? And we'll give them

[00:23:08] a little shout out, but who would that person be and why? That's a great question. You're absolutely

[00:23:14] right. I mean, no one gets to where they are in their career without help. And I've been fortunate

[00:23:19] enough, I've had many mentors at different points in my career to help me get to where I am. But I

[00:23:25] would say somebody I would love to shout out to is probably, I've worked with two different people on

[00:23:32] this concept. And I'd say it was over the last five years, it really helped me be a better

[00:23:38] executive. And it's a group called Insight Principles. The guy I've worked with the last

[00:23:44] couple of years is a guy named Robin Charbot. He's up in Massachusetts. And these guys,

[00:23:51] really all they teach you, and they'll say this, I don't want to make it sound funny,

[00:23:55] but really all they teach you is how your mind works. And once you understand how your

[00:23:59] mind works, you realize that most of the time people are in a state of stress. We're the only

[00:24:08] animal on the planet that lives in a heightened state of stress most of our time. And when you

[00:24:12] learn how your mind works, you realize that that stress is completely optional. The suffering in

[00:24:16] life is optional. And it's usually created by yourself, by your own ego getting in the way

[00:24:23] and by being busy-minded. And when you realize how your mind works, you can clear all that out

[00:24:29] and let your mind do what it was designed to do, which is solve problems.

[00:24:33] So, these guys changed my life. And another guy that I worked with in the beginning, a guy named

[00:24:39] Ken Manning, together they really changed my life and my outlook and how I am as a leader.

[00:24:47] They got a book out there. I don't get any money for the book. It's called Invisible Power. Take

[00:24:51] a look at it on Amazon. And it's not a very complicated book, but I tell you, it's some

[00:24:58] really insightful things. Wow, what an incredible answer. Big shout out to Guy, Ken and everyone at

[00:25:04] Insight Principles. And I also have an Amazon wishlist here where I always ask my guests to

[00:25:09] leave a book. So, I'm going to add their book, Invisible Power, to that list as well. But anyone

[00:25:14] listening just wanting to find out more information about ScienceCo, the work you're doing, the

[00:25:18] things that we talked about today, maybe even connect with you or contact your team, what's

[00:25:22] the best starting point for everything? Well, I think we have our website out there. You can

[00:25:26] reach us through there. You can also just connect with me on LinkedIn, great place to find me and

[00:25:31] happy to connect with people. Well, I'll have links to everything to make that easier for everyone

[00:25:36] listening. I learned so much today from you, from accelerating the green energy transition,

[00:25:43] leading in EV battery materials development and also leveraging AI by embracing the digital

[00:25:49] transformation of chemical production. And I suspect most of all, little did I know when I

[00:25:54] got up and washed my hair this morning that the shampoo I used contained ScienceCo ingredients. But

[00:26:00] just a big thank you for sharing your incredible insights today. Thanks again, Mike.

[00:26:04] Absolutely. Thanks a lot, Neil. Thanks. I appreciate being on the show.

[00:26:07] I cannot thank Mike enough for coming on here today because I've gained so many unique insights

[00:26:12] into how ScienceCo is pushing the boundaries of innovation in the chemical sector. And this is an

[00:26:18] area that I'm not too familiar with and that's why I sit down and have these conversations every day.

[00:26:24] Because I think it's inspiring to hear how they're driving forward this clean energy transition,

[00:26:29] the role of technology doing that and also shaping the future of sustainable technology as well.

[00:26:35] But how do you see AI and advanced materials influencing your industry? These are the stories

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[00:26:48] Instagram, just at Neil C Hughes. But that's it for today. So thank you for tuning in. And

[00:26:53] as we look forward to bringing you more stories that connect technology, innovation and real

[00:26:58] world impact, I cordially invite you to join me again tomorrow. But thank you for listening today.

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