2990: Securing the Future: Trend Micro's Approach to AI PC Privacy

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready to step into the future? A future where your PC not only understands you, but also

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: anticipates your needs. Well as AI continues to revolutionize our digital experiences,

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: the emergence of AI PCs brings forth a blend of innovation and complexity.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So today I'm joined by Eric Schultz, Vice President of Product Management at Trend Micro.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Together we're going to try and unravel how AI is reshaping the tech landscape right under our fingertips.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: With AI PCs integrating generative AI more seamlessly than ever, what do you need to know to navigate

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[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: all the way in a Taipei where today's guest is waiting to join me.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So a massive warm welcome to the show, Eric. Can you tell everyone listening a little about

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: who you are and what you do? Yeah thanks for having me Neil. My name is Eric Schultz.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I am the VP of Product Management for Trend Micro covering our consumer

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: division of products so these would be things that your listeners and our customers will run on their

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: home or personal devices. It's a pleasure to have you join me on the podcast today. I know it's

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: quite late where you are and you've stayed on to talk with me but just to set the

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: scene for our conversation today there's so much talk of AI at the moment and hype around it.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to look beyond that hype. So can you begin by explaining what AI PCs are and how they

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: integrate generative AI into everyday tech landscape? Something we're hearing more and

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: more about, I've seen a few stories about Apple etc and their next PCs and the processes behind

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: them but can you tell me about what you're seeing and what that means? Yeah it's a great question.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's start with like you said the definition or what we consider an AI PC

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: depends on what definition you use. There really isn't a hard set one in the industry that I found.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Each major company kind of has one that differs but the commonalities between them are

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_00]: relatively simple. It's a PC or a personal computer that has a specialized processing unit

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: for doing AI type workloads. You'll commonly see these referred to as NPUs or Neuro-Processing

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: units meaning that they are very very good and very efficient at running neural network based

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: workloads which is what a generative AI or LLM is in general. So they integrate generative AI by

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: running it locally on the device instead of having to send all that data to the cloud

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and why that matters to a lot of customers and consumers is a couple of reasons. One is speed.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: When things are local you don't have latency or cost of going to the cloud. It's also more private

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: because the data is not leaving your device. If it's done correctly it's all done locally so

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: you have and I know we'll probably dig in a bit deeper there in a bit and then the third

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: reason is just the speed because you have it locally, you have the computing power,

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: why not use it so it comes to the law of the land as it's sometimes referred to.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking to me today in Taiwan and of course that is the chip central of the universe right

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: now and with the competition among big chip makers to create that best AI PC are there any potential

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: security or privacy concerns that end users should be aware of when it comes to an on-device AI?

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Anything they should be thinking about? So yeah I am in Type A right now. I would say

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: it's not as much around the chip specifically. I think all three of the you know the one

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: specifically on the AI PC side today all have their benefits for sure. In terms of the security and

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: privacy I would say that definitely depends on the application that the users are interacting with

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: whether it be the built-in operating system based applications or if it's something they

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: download from a third party, independent software vendor things like that. In terms of what are they

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: one would be can they access your sensitive data on that device right? We all have personal data on

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: our device maybe tax returns maybe national identification numbers etc and can this generative

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: AI or this application access that data to help build you know better responses for you?

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The other would be can something edit or impact that application where it could make that application

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: or that generative AI application return a incorrect result or a you know compromised result

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe changing some variable from like hours to days which could give misleading information

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: for example. Another reason I was excited to get you on the podcast was I was reading a

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: recent trend micro survey and it revealed that 68% of respondents were worried about AI's role in

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: spreading misinformation. What measures can be taken to mitigate these concerns which you

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: uncovered in your survey? So I look at it from a couple of ways one is what data like what's

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: the source of this information so for example is it coming from a reputable source is it a

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: trusted information source that you or your listeners have validated it is from? Is it coming

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: from just a random post on social media where it's some person or some entity with a weird headshot

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: or is it a reporter that you know and trust that would be one. A second would be the good old

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: mantra of trust but verify if you see it is there a way to verify that that information

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: is accurate. Can you double check or check that against another source for example? Are you seeing

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: multiple news outlets reporting the same thing or sharing that same data? And then the third I would

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: say is always be skeptical if it sounds too good to be true it may be right so trust your gut

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that if something's like hey this is free or hey come here you can win this be skeptical

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and verify that or go into it with that skeptical mind just to make sure because otherwise we all

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: it's too easy to get sucked into that dopamine boost in the brain by I won something or that

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: when you don't know for sure if it's real. And also in that survey I think it was 58% of

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: respondents are concerned about AI misuse of their images and likeness elsewhere outside

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: of the survey I'm hearing more as a podcast I'm hearing more about voice being misuse and voice

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: fraud so how can consumers better protect themselves from such potential misuse of their

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: biometrics or their voice or their appearance or so much other things too.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: No it's a great question Neil. I think the first would be you know images is

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: be careful what you share we live in the age of social media and I know we all like to

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: share with our friends and family but can you control or be careful what you share and

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: you know how you control your privacy settings right are you sharing this image globally you

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: know if it's a landscape picture something like that great but if it's starting to you or your

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: family or your friends do you have your privacy settings set to kind of protect that or limit

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: who could access that to make sure it's not getting vacuumed up by model generators or

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: by malicious actors that are using that to try to imitate them and when it comes to voice

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: voice is definitely an interesting one there are tools coming onto the market

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: regularly to help detect and produce this and one is verifying where that source is coming from

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_00]: right so your voice obviously it's possible to capture right you Neil probably know

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: this better than even I do because as being this your voice is all over all over your podcast

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah so it is possible to get these samples so making sure that your friends and family are aware

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: of having tools to validate that it's really you if they hear things that don't sound like you and

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_00]: having that that that skeptical attitude that we talked about previously and as AI just become

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: more integral part of our PCs and even phones and tablets etc when we're looking at things

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: like Microsoft new lines and new line of AI PCs what are the key privacy and safety elements that

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: need to be addressed to ensure that consumer trust anything they should be looking out for

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I think a couple would be it do the company have or does the entity have a privacy policy

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: an AI you know acceptable use policy or guidelines of how they're using AI to make

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: sure that you know those aligned with the our listeners value statements are they comfortable

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: with that that use of AI potentially using their data another would be are they protecting

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: their their sensitive information so like I said earlier we all store that information on our devices

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: in some way or form how do we make sure that data is either segmented or protected off where it

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: can't get sucked into these new applications and then just being careful what we store and what

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: applications we use make sure we're getting applications from reputable sources right

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: whenever there's new technology advances like this you'll see a lot of new companies come up

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe legitimate maybe someone just in their in their garage coming up with a new idea that

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: they want to test do they have that rigorous process in place regarding software lifecycle

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: to make sure that that that application is secure that they have you know properly tested

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: it to make sure it's not using vulnerable libraries or some other you know other

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: types of supply chain attacks upstream so just making sure you're you're using legitimate

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: applications from well-known well rated etc to to really make sure that your your base is there

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and then also looking at security tools like the ones that trend micro make that can help add

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: some of these protection layers if you know you are using tools or you are going down this path

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: making sure you have that extra layer around there to to ensure that that application is doing

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: what it's supposed to be and that it's you know that there is that extra guard guard around it

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and it is so tricky i mean we look at someone like apple a privacy first company towards their

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: consumers in every way but they've recently been accused of scraping youtube to train their ai

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: there's so much going on and almost a gold rush of all these companies scraping online

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: content i also read somewhere that uh i think the data that they can train ai learning models

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: could run out as soon as 2026 is this big a like gold rush out there almost isn't it

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: it is there's a crazy amount of that and i mean when it comes to ai especially training data is king

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: so you'll you'll see lots of things of how do you how do you source data where are you sourcing

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: data uh are you ethically sourcing your data to train your models there so that's something

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: to where that gets a little bit deeper because now you have to look at what models or what ai

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: you know is the application that you're running using and you know digging down deeper which i

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: which you know even as a consumer myself i may not do so that's where we go back once again to that

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: reputation of of that uh vendor where you're getting that software from and then also potentially

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: adding a a layer of security around that to add to make sure any of those gaps that that

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: software might have are being filled right and things like that where trend microprovides

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: 100% videos are entirely different subject for a different day and

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: trend micro though how are you enhancing security and privacy for users of ai pcs i know it's a

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: topic very close to your heart so what are you working on here it is my team's been working

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: tirelessly on this and we've announced some new things around the compute x for a big hardware

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: show here in taiwan about a month ago month and a half ago now i think we announced some

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: privacy focused features that actually had a rare uh kind of a rare thing in our industry where we

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: are able to enhance the security and privacy for our users and actually decrease user friction

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: so we introduced a uh feature for email in this in this example specifically where we are able to

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: scan the user's email uh locally on the device using that npu uh and we don't have to send the

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: email to the cloud like we used to so previously you know niel from the from europe you're familiar

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: with the gdpr i'm quite sure where we have data collection notices we have to accept and uh you

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: know from an ethical and transparency perspective we want to make sure our our customers always

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_00]: know what data we're collecting so we previously would have to ask the user's consent to scan

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: their email because we were using you know ai in the cloud to do that but now with the

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: new power of the aipcs we've been able to bring that functionality locally onto the device

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: where now we don't have to ask the user's permission to collect their data because we're not collecting

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_00]: their data right it's actually being all done on their device so like i said we were able to

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: raise security and privacy because now the user doesn't have to worry about those notices

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: or be worried about their data going to the cloud which also reduced the friction because

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: now we don't have to prompt them to opt in for data collection another one would be you know that's

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: how we're using ai to do better security but we're also doing the second part we're actually making

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: sure we're using security for ai so adding those protections that i mentioned earlier around protecting

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_00]: the local application protecting that knowledge base that the local application may be using or

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: the model that the local application would be using to make sure that outside actors can't

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: tamper with it or you know tweak the data in the database to return a malicious url so you know if

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you ask her what's my bank and it returns you know a slightly different length than you're used to

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: but you don't notice it because it's trying to do a scam or something like that so you know

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: trend's been looking at this from both angles right how can we use ai to better secure our customers

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: but also how can we make sure that our customers can use ai securely and you've provided

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: so many great examples already but just to drill down one last time anybody listening that may be

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: considering buying a new pc an ai pc they're looking at all their different options in front of them

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: any other ways that they can differentiate between those ai pcs that prioritize security and privacy

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and and those that might not have the those robust measures in place anything else they

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: should be looking out for yeah we see the key things you know we covered already obviously

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: the it's it's hard especially when you're going to you know retail locations to differentiate those

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: things so just making sure that the PCs you have are obviously coming from reputable companies with

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: legitimate versions of the software right obviously that's what we would always want anyway

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and just make that would be probably the biggest thing and then looking to you know add on those

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_00]: extra security measures if you if you have concerns or just want to make sure that

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: a little more peace of mind for sure in in that's in this new world because this is this is definitely

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: an infrastructure shift that I think we're all excited about the possibilities that and all the

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: opportunities it opens we just want to make sure that you know everyone can use it safely and

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: securely to get this this new this new power and I'm glad we've approached things from a

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: cautious standpoint today but indeed there is so much excitement around the road ahead as well

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: so if we do look into the future what do you see as the future of AI and consumer technology

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: anything excite you and then also how could the industry balance that innovation that

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: excite innovation with that using it safely securely and maintaining privacy standards

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: etc I'm excited for you know some of the ideas that I've seen of this of what we can do the

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: way we can personalize and personalize some of these new features with local AI right where

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: we used to have to do this all this in the cloud being able to bring it there I think it's going to

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: open up opportunities for lots and lots of innovation in the software space to to personalize

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe it be interacting with you know people with disabilities or bringing in you know allowing

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: people to be more comfortable sharing certain personal information because they know it's

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: going to be processed locally and not put into a massive cloud data bank those are one of

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: those are where I'm really really excited to see this this innovation I think where you know as the

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: industry needs to balance though is can we come out with things these new things these new use

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: cases maybe in a more controlled way or a hey do you need to collect all that data right away or

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: can we work our way up to that as we learn more and we experience more but ultimately there's

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: always you always have to push the the limits right that's what drives some of the best

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: innovation so can we innovate and then make sure that we're just innovating with privacy and mind

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: versus innovating in a vacuum without without thinking about that till after the fact because

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that's that's when it gets harder people get confused so we want to make sure we're innovating

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_00]: we're innovating fast we're just keeping in the back of our mind that you know consumers

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: myself you we care about our security and our privacy especially in the day and age of how we

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_00]: see things used in other ways sometimes so and we've been quite serious today talking about

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: everything from safety and security and the exciting work that you're doing in AI but outside of all

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that if I have a quick scroll down your LinkedIn I can see you've had quite a varied career an

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: exciting career successful career and you also get to travel a lot so I've got to ask before I

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: let you go what is the funniest or most interesting story that you've picked up along the way

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: there's probably a few you can share a few you can't but what can you share I think one that

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: comes to mind you know would be kind of how I got into the careers into where I am now in the first

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: place so yeah as you probably see there I come from you know the states specifically I come from

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Wisconsin and I went to university and actually got a degree in zoology and you might say zoology

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and IT that's a little bit of a jump I actually doubled down on that jump after I got my degree

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and moved to Hawaii spent six months in Hawaii working as a dolphin trainer and people are like how

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: like dolphin training IT are we talking like polar opposites in the world but as weird as it sounds

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: actually that taught me a lot that's made made my made me successful in my career because

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: there's lots of weird things around behavior and human interaction and non nonverbal behavior you

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: know being able to read people via nonverbal communication that the dolphins were able to

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: help me really grow that skill early in my career that now when I go meet with customers if I'm

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_00]: in a boardroom with you know sea levels as well as engineers I can read the room to make sure

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: everyone's engaged and stuff so it's weird as it sounds it actually prepared me more for my

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: current job than I ever could imagine and you know makes for an interesting story for sure

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: wow what an incredible story absolutely love that and one of the reasons I love enjoying

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and recording this podcast every day is hearing stories like that I mean the

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: synergies between zoology dolphin training and attack career phenomenal man but anyone

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: listening just wants to find out more information about the things we talked about today or work

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: at trend micro or connect with you or your team where would you like to point everyone listening

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: yes I would point them back to our our corporate website so trend micro calm and if you want to

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: see specifically what our consumer team is doing trend micro calm slash hold and if you

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_00]: looking for me on the socials are in linkedin it is linkedin.com slash e-shelts my last name

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: s-h-u-l-z-e on most platforms well we covered so much today about how trend micro among the first to

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: put user safety at the forefront about talking about things like AI application protection malicious

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: AI contact content protection the excitement for the future but if I'm honest 2,000 interviews

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: from now you're going to be my dolphin zoology guy and the difference and the synergies that

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that brings with the tech industry as well fantastic story though I will never forget so thank you

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: so much for taking the time to share that with me today. Hey Neil thanks for having a sign greatly

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: appreciate it I think it's clear that the evolution of AI PCs is not just about technological advancements

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's also about ensuring the security and privacy don't fall by the wayside and with trend

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: micro at the forefront of safeguarding consumer interest in this age of AI kudos to them for

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the great work that they're doing but what about you listening what steps are you going to

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