2993: The Future of Cybersecurity Resiliency with Check Point Software

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_01]: How secure is your business in the face of relentless cyber threats?

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, today on Tech Talks Daily I'm going to be joined by Mohammed Patal.

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He's from Check Point Software and together we're going to delve into the critical world

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_01]: of cybersecurity, vulnerability management and business resilience.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And with cyber attacks becoming a question of when rather than if, understanding how

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: to protect your core operations and maintain business continuity is more important than

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: ever.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So, Mohammed will share his insights on how to identify what your digital crown jewels are,

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: how to fortify your defenses with multi-layered security strategies and also talk about the

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: cutting edge advancements in things like AI and quantum computing and how they could revolutionize

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: our approach to cybersecurity.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to take a time out to express my gratitude to everyone who supports my mission of delivering

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[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But with my thank yous out the way it's now time to jump right into today's interview

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: with a fantastic guest.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Well buckle up and hold on tight because no matter where you are in the world it's time

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to beam your ears all the way to Blackburn here in the UK where our guest is waiting to join us.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So a massive warm welcome to the show.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell everyone listening a little about who you are and what you do?

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me Neil, I'm a jihya Patel.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I have two jobs so let's kind of touch on them.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a senior pre-sales engineer here at Checkpoint Software

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: where a global cybersecurity solutions leader and the job here is to pretty much help

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: organizations with their sort of cybersecurity strategy and how we can sort of deliver

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_00]: security value with sort of prevention based solutions.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: The second hour at Checkpoint is so sub security evangelist within the

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: office of the CTO so I get involved with things like public speaking, engagement with

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: sort of academia and building that relationship and then contributing to industry articles and

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: media appearances every now and then as well.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic, it's a pleasure to have you join me on the podcast and every day I try and

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: hone in on certain areas that everyone's talking about in business and the effects

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: of whether it be cybersecurity or technology trends and there does seem to be a real big

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: focus at the minute on business resiliency especially after that huge IT outage we had

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: a few weeks ago.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So what does this mean though in the context of cybersecurity when we're talking about

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: business resiliency?

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you just set the scene for our conversation?

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it comes down to what's your approach when a cybersecurity attack happens or cyber

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: attack happens and if and not when a cyber attack comes along.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's that terminology of when the cyber attack happens and not if a cyber attack

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: happened so breaking it down into sort of simple terms.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: If your business is in an unfortunate situation where a cyber attack is successful,

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: can your business survive in some way shape or form?

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Can it carry on functioning or does everything kind of come to a halt?

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So business resiliency comes down to can we continue running and keep parts of the business

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: even while attack is ongoing or even after a while while things are still recovering and

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: you're still going through the motions of what's just happened.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of how I'd kind of break down that kind of business resiliency with

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: when it comes to cybersecurity.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And as you said there, it's not a case of if you get attacked but when.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So with that very stark warning, what are the key strategies that any business leader listening

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: should be acting upon to develop that resilient cybersecurity framework to have a more proactive

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: approach rather than the traditional reactive?

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And this is something I guess I talked to many organizations about and we could probably

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: talk about this all day long but if we wanted to touch on a few key kind of aspects,

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'd start off by saying the business needs to identify their crown jewels.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You'll find if you don't know what your crown jewels are, then how could you survive as a

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: business if you're not protecting it? So identify those crown jewels and then move on

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_00]: to identify other assets systems and data within your organization.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I would then look at so performing a continuous risk assessment against the organization and

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: know I'm talking continuous and not a one off thing or a once a year thing.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And this will help so identify gaps and weaknesses.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Implement multi-layered preventatives or security measures to give the business the best fighting

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: chance. I think if you only got a single layer or you're only relying on one single thing to

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: protect you, you haven't really got a good chance. So having that multi-layered thing is

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: really good. Then I would look at having an internet response plan and test it regularly as well

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: to make sure it's up to date, to make sure the plan is still adequate for your size of business

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and organization. And then the last point is sort of offline backups and DR plans

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: but having these off-site. So I talked to many organizations and some of them just

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: wouldn't realize that actually when a cyber attack happens, the systems that I have today

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and the storage and data may not be available. And therefore these plans and backups that we

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: have are stored on the very systems that have just been sort of hijacked in an attack.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So taking those off-site somewhere else completely separate, put you in a pretty good

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: position. So those would be some of the key points. And then from a framework perspective,

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: if somebody wants to adopt a framework, probably the best one to start off with is the

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: NIST cybersecurity framework or NIST CSF. So yeah, those would be kind of my key takeaways

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: to go and do those things first. And I suspect there'll be a lot of people listening that know

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: they need to do something but not sure what to do or maybe the ROI of performing something like this

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: is unclear at the moment. And I appreciate you might not be able to mention any names here,

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but are you able to share an example of someone that has effectively demonstrated business resiliency

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: during a cyber attack? Any any examples bring to mind?

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think probably there is a name we can mention because it's in public media was the

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: ransomware attack against a company called Carmat. And they are one of the largest sort of

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: technology providers in the transportation industry who face a ransomware attack after

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: somebody clicked a malicious link in an email. But the key bit here is I guess looking at business

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: resiliency, they work within the trucking industry and that kind of sector. Their response was

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_00]: sort of immaculate in terms of they were able to contain the attack within hours. The internal

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: system impact was minimal. And actually they were actually able to start communicating to their

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: customers, suppliers, partners immediately on the same day. And they had a communication plan.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And they were able to respond very quickly. And that's what business resiliency comes down to

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_00]: can your business carry on? And in this instance, yes, they were able to carry on.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: They had a response plan. And they were clearly well prepared for something like this. And for me,

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: for other people listening, they might be thinking, well, I've only got a small business or

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a big cybersecurity or enterprise company. We're talking about a company here who operated in

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: transportation industry, probably not something that comes to mind in the first instance. But

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_00]: there's probably one that you can check out. So if somebody looks up on Google or something,

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Carmat ran somewhere attacked, they can read about it there in the public domain.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: To avoid any confusion from people listening, many will hear the term vulnerability management

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: mentioned in the exact same sentences business resiliency. So just to clear that matter,

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: what would you say or how would you describe vulnerability management? And

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: how is it different? And why is that also crucial for businesses?

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so vulnerability management is more about the sort of security vulnerabilities within the

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_00]: organization's technology landscape if you like. So you've got a business who's got hardware

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and software within their organization. And these vulnerabilities are ultimately the weaknesses

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: within the technology that they've deployed. And these vulnerabilities can then be exploited by

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_00]: an attacker. And if we're doing vulnerability management properly, we can help reduce the

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: risk of an attack. And I guess keep a healthy posture and sort of validated status back to

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: the business for regular purposes as well. So they are two distinctive things. We see

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_00]: vulnerabilities being exploited day in, day out. But this is more about the underlying

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: technology infrastructure that you have within the organization that needs to be patched and

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: managed effectively to make sure that we were stopping all these kind of weaknesses and gaps

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that exist in hardware and software that are always going to exist in some way, shape or form.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's about keeping, keeping ahead and keeping on top of it.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And another weakness that lurks inside something that everyone uses, and that is of course email

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and in recent years, it has often been the workers that have been lazily blamed for being

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the weakest link in cybersecurity. But attacks are so sophisticated now, especially with

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: social engineering. And it's so easy for someone to go online, go on a LinkedIn profile, have a look

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: at the chief finance officer who's at a conference, get the email domain from the website and send

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: those phishing attacks or run somewhere attacks. So why would you say email security is so critical

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: for businesses today? Is it often overlooked? I guess it's overlooked in some areas but also

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: might not be considered as an area that needs protecting. But it's still the primary method

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: of communication today, either internally or externally within the business. And actually,

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: if we look at the cyber attacks today, overwhelmingly email is used as that sort of

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: initial attack factor and looking at some of the trends within the industry and the reports.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It was something like 80 odd percent of threats were delivered by email in 2023. So for that reason,

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: we need to be taking email security seriously if we're going to prevent some of these threats

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: from happening. And again, just to bring to life what we're talking about here,

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: what are some of the most common email based threats that businesses should be aware of out

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: there? Is it the same old, the usual suspects that we see and hear or the other emerging threats,

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: especially with AI, et cetera? Yeah, the usual suspects are there. And you mentioned one of

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: them, social engineering. That's a big thing now alongside business email compromised. We're

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: seeing more of whereby either a trusted employee or a supplier or a partner that you sort of

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: engage with, it actually has their mailbox compromised and they're now being impersonated

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: in some way. So you think you're engaging with your trusted supplier, they ask you for a payment

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and you go ahead and make that payment. But actually what you didn't realize was that

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: supplier was actually compromised. The same usual sort of phishing techniques still exist

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: today with malicious links and attachments. And these links could be used to download malware

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: onto the machine, or the links could be used to steal user credentials as well.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Up and coming are things like malicious QR codes. There are things now as well. So you could

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: be receiving a QR code within an email, but actually there is a malicious link behind it

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's how do we sort of stop these from happening and kind of stay ahead of some of these as well.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic advice. And the question I've got to ask and I appreciate this question is almost a

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast episode on its own, but for any business leaders listening, how can organizations protect

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: their email systems more, especially from some of the threats you've just mentioned?

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this is a question almost on a daily basis. I'm kind of engaging with businesses in the

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: UK to understand how we can do this. I think we need to adopt a prevention based email security

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: solution, which is using AI and machine learning kind of at the forefront to be able

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: to help and recognize some of these threats and actually move away from a detect and remediation

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: with long relied on legacy solutions that are still there or architecture,

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: which is not putting the organization in the best manner. So if we say once the malware is in, it's

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: too late, right? So that's where detects and remediate comes in, move to something that can

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: prevent these things from happening as best as we can. MFA on all your email accounts,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that's really easy to go on and turn on. So get your users engaged with you to understand why it

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: needs to be enabled. And even things like monitoring suspicious logon behaviors, if your

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: organization only works in the UK, should you have somebody from another country or another

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: region logging on? Can you monitor that? Those are some of the things that you want to be

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: looking at in terms of how we can protect the email system from these threats.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And we are talking about a lot of varied threats and attacks, but it's not all doom and gloom.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: There is a lot to be hopeful for and maybe even excited. So I've got to ask,

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: what excites you about the future? Yeah, again, this could be an episode on its own.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a, I think what excites me is I still have a job in the industry with

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: everything that's happening. I'll still be kept in a job and that probably evolve in different ways

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: because the landscape is increasing. I think things like, want some computing is probably

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: something that excites me to see what's going to be the art of what's possible when it comes to

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: having better ways or faster ways of securing and protecting data to help kind of bolster

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that security. AI is there, does it excite me? Not as much as what it did so early on.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: We know it's there, we know it can be utilized, I guess there's probably more to come in that space.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess the other bit that kind of is just around innovation within the field itself.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: There is so much happening within the industry that it's hard to actually keep up. But yeah,

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: we have a role here in some of the cutting edge stuff. So that keeps it kind of pretty exciting.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love how you mentioned that quantum computing excites you. I'm curious,

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't keep you awake at night, worrying about it breaking encryption or anything like

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: there's nothing like that concerning. No, no, not yet. There's definitely much less, I guess,

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_00]: boring things that are keeping me and other people awake at night, which is some of the

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: more simple stuff that we could be doing to improve things. Love that. And absolutely

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: love chatting with you today. And before I let you go, I always try and find a little bit

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: more about my guest, we've talked about your hugely successful career, the amazing work that you're

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: doing. But of course, none of us are able to achieve any degree of success without a little

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: help along the way. And very often it's someone that's seen something in as invested a little time

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: in us and helped us in our career. So is there a particular person or people that you're

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: grateful towards who played a part in helping you thrive in your cybersecurity career?

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely. You're probably expecting to me to say someone sort of professional in my

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: professional life, but I'm going to go with personally here and go back to my roots and

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: my parents who pushed me to go down the apprenticeship route. So I didn't go to

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: university or get a degree, but they actually pushed me towards hands on learning on the job.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I started my career as an apprentice and it's always sort of been hands on learning.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So the success comes from parents who navigated me towards go out into the big bad world and just

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: get hands on and start learning some of this tech stuff that you seem to get and understand

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and get excited about. So yeah, none of this would have been anywhere achievable without their

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: help and their pushing to kind of continue towards striving for the best.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: What a beautiful answer. Absolutely loved that. And I think cybersecurity is one of those industries

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: where it is, I think they stopped it like 0% unemployment and there is a real opportunity

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: for people from such a variety of backgrounds that maybe they don't automatically

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: consider themselves techies. But with that hands on experience and studying in their own time,

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a real opportunity there for other people to enter this industry, isn't there right now?

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely. There's a huge opportunity. There's a lot of people who are kind of re-skilling. So I've

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: worked with a couple of these groups around the UK and as you say, they come from diverse backgrounds,

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_00]: not necessarily in cybersecurity, but they're actually re-skilling to enter the industry and

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: they bring along with them different experiences which can actually help them advance their

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: careers in the cyber world and actually help some of us in cyber with the experience that

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_00]: they bring from very different backgrounds. So it's definitely an industry to be in and

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: not necessarily always think about being in the most advanced and technical role because there's

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: a huge wide gap in different areas and a lot of different specialisms that people could

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: jump in and get to grips with. Well, I echo everything you said there and I think

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: it's something we don't talk about enough. We've probably set off a lot of light bulb

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: moments. We've left people with a lot of different talking points and might have a few questions.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So where is the best place for anyone listening to find you or your team at Checkpoint Software,

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: learn more about anything we talked about today? Where would you like to point everyone?

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm very active on LinkedIn. So connect me, chat with me there, engage on there

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and of course if you want to learn more about prevention based solutions and architecture,

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: visit Checkpoint.com and yeah, that's the best way to reach us.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we packed so much in our conversation today from demystifying business resiliency,

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_01]: vulnerability management, email is a business critical tool and how to protect that but also

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: what you're excited about the future, why there's so much to be hopeful about and also

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: where you came from there and recognising the impact your parents have had on your career

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and giving hope to other people out there that might be listening, this might be the moment that

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: we just light a spark where they too want to re-skill and enter the industry but just

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: thank you so much for shining a light on this today. Thank you, Neil.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We covered so much ground there discussing the essential elements of building a resilient

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: cyber security framework to shield your business from cyber threats, from fundamentals of email

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: security to the innovative frontiers of quantum computing. I think it's clear that staying ahead

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: requires constant vigilance and innovation but what steps will you take to ensure your business

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: remains resilient in that cyber battleground that we're talking about? As always, share your thoughts

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and questions you may have and let's keep this crucial conversation going. Email techblogrideroutlook.com,

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram and Neil C Hughes. Pop me a DM in there if you've got a question or

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: anything at all. But that's it. I'm out of touch. You're out of time so it's time for me to go

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: now but thank you for listening as always and until next time. Don't be a stranger.