3032: From Ukraine to the UK: Yehor Dremliuha on the Tech Scene and Startup Success

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: What does it take to build a successful tech career while navigate in the challenges of immigration?

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, my guest today has got a remarkable story to share. He's originally from Ukraine. His name is Yehor and he moved to the UK just two years ago.

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But he quickly found his place within the Tech Industry for filling a lifelong dream. So I want to give him a little airtime today.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_00]: He explores his journey from securing a job within a week of arriving in the UK to discussing the contrasting tech landscape of what he's seen in Ukraine compared to the UK.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And also, asking to share his unique perspectives on AI's role in back end development and how open source development, foster innovation and transparency.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And if we've got time I also want to hear more about his recent book, Your Journey to Fluent Python and dive into the exciting trends he's seeing right now in back end development.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really excited to get him on the podcast today.

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[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So a massive wall welcome to the show. Can you tell everyone listening? A little over here who you are and what you do?

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone, my name is Kikwara. I'm software engineer with 3 and the kind of years of experience.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I am 22 years old and originally from Ukraine. But now I live in the best countries of world the United Kingdom, Great Britain.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I am author of your journey to fluent Python book, co-founder and city of Svetrics, open source privacy based Web Analytics platform.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We registered it in the UK this year in February.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And you should only work as a software engineer in Oxford for a year and a couple of years. Big fun of tennis chess, Rick and Mauritian safe my stuff.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a bit of a mixed bag there. I love that. Brilliant.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the reasons I invited you on the podcast to join me today is your journey from Ukraine to the United Kingdom is incredibly inspiring.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So I've got to ask, I mean, what challenge did you face as an immigrant in the UK tech industry and how did you overcome that to establish yourself as a software engineer in Oxford?

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it is an inspiring story.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: To be honest, I always dreamed of leaving Kinzen United Kingdom since my childhood. My aunt gifted me a Harry Potter book.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: The philosopher Stone, I liked it so much. I was four years old. I was a story I tell everyone.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And from that moment I started being obsessed about British history, British culture, English language.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I intentionally started learning English in very young age when I was five or six.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That was very expensive for my family there back in Ukraine at the time.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But I got best users in Ukraine. So, got joined some school, English schools and had lots of practice.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Regarding the journey, I will probably start from 2022.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I moved to Czech Republic after the war.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And from there I applied under the Ukrainian scheme to the UK, under Homes for Ukraine.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And at the moment it was March or May 2022. In Czech Republic I received an offer to join Kiby.com.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, I was invited to informal dinner with a team lead in Prague. We got an informal dinner.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: They offered me a lot of money. I don't remember. I didn't have a lot of experience yet there.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But that was for a thousand euros for the position. Everything was agreed.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And May, can you imagine at the same time I was approved under the Khomspur Ukraine scheme the same day?

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. I made a plan to make a lifetime choice. Is there staying Czech Republic accepted the offer in Kiby.com or moved to the UK?

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. So you spent the way there. I'd like to introduce the UK. I did regret. Is the glad you might participate in this decision?

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I decided to fulfill my dream. And literally within the weekend my partner was fully packed and we arrived to London.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the best, the best of the memories I had when I first flew into London.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's Jewish giant, beautiful seating. And answering your question regarding the challenge, I didn't have problems in the UK at all.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I found a job within a week. I know English language in excellence.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And I share picturesque values. So for me, Alex Sander is Sherwood. He offered me a job within a week of my arrival.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And he became my first British employer in the UK. So my integration was very smooth. We just got them and supported us as well.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We got jobs moved to private, landlord, renting the flat, leaving the UK in German life.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Love it. Well, a great story. And of course, that I would lead you to sweet tricks or privacy-based web analytics startup.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: What was it that motivated you to focus on privacy and how does this differentiates itself from so many other web analytics platforms out there in this increasingly private, privacy-conscious world?

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Let's start not from Spythrix, but from Google Analytics.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. First of all, Google I fix this huge massive interface. It requires a lot of time to figure out how to use it.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And Spythrix was found that by my best friend and re-domassum, and I believe that it was created to address the complexity and privacy issues.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So, a premium point I would say that Google Analytics is not usable at all.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's time consuming, complicated. And your data is literally being sold to third-party agencies, to digital marketing agencies.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's it. I guess Spythrix was created to address these issues.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We reached the most advanced features on the website. My favorite feature is funnels. Google Analytics does not have funnels.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I developed personally AI which predicts potential traffic on the website. Literally no one has session functionality.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And we have so many features. And I guess that's the main reason why we decided to, what decided to be better than Google Analytics?

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it was created. That's why we're here.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And for anybody hearing about Sweatrix for the very first time, as we said there is a cookie-less Google Analytics alternative that doesn't invade your users privacy.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's perfect for marketers start up small businesses and virtually any type of business.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's also GDPR compliant as well. How has it been, um, great advice to start up community and the business community?

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I've got those graphs with Google Analytics that we've highlighted today.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It's easy to get them on board and how have people responded when they go from Google Analytics to Sweatrix?

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, our customers are incredibly loyal. You are right that we don't use cookies at all.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't track any personal data and we are open source.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think this bug-turs combined resulted in a great loyalty of our customers.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone who switched from Google Analytics or decided us to use from the first glance, they are still satisfied and very loyal.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_01]: We have not lost any clients during this three years of statistics.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And a question I've got to ask is someone that has had experience in both Ukrainian and UK job markets?

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: How would you compare the opportunity in challenges in the tech sectors in these two countries? Are there any synergies, are there any big differences?

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: What would you say here from the journey that you've been on?

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, Ukrainian markets for a mini-personally.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It was much harder to get the job there.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: In Ukraine, the JavaScript and Java languages are dominant languages. They are being used for development more than long.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And we have a lot of open source. We have a lot of outsource companies in Ukraine.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like outsource and out-stop companies.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I can never work on any of this.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Except if I'm going to give me internal external courses, which was great things.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for that.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the cool point that for me was much, much harder to find a job in Ukraine.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So I managed to find the crypto, met a university platform.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But in Britain, I have never been offered an offer to all outsource companies.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I had offers to product companies.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like this because you can focus on one thing. You don't need to spread your attention across everything.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's my personal experience.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe the outsource companies in Britain exist on the board, but it's my personal experience.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to mention that for me, it was easier to find a job in the case.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And Spite is very popular here.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But in Ukraine, you can also find great products.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We have DIA, document management system.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a very modern banking system.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You can send money by your phone number or by 16 digits of your card within a second.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I guess we have very similar.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Both are at both UK and Ukraine.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Markets are very modern and very enjoyable to work on.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Another big trend about here, the UK and Ukraine, in every way in between is AI.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've got to ask about your experiences here because we hear a lot about the hype and the hype cycle everyone talking about it.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: How are you actually seeing AI transforming many aspects of software development and indeed business isn't?

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you see AI impacting the future of software engineering?

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you saying it increasingly playing a role in your work at Sweatrix 2?

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I think that artificial intelligence is the real spread for a humanity.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I truly believe that in you and us, fellow revolutions, this will have a direct impact on everyone who lives on Earth.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the main point is that it's very upsetting no one shares the same.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: No one shares the same thoughts that they do.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is thinking that I'm obsessed and with AI and that's just a tool now.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree that it's in a current state, it's a tool but I can clearly see the potential, the potential of this be sure and calm and challenges.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know really what to answer on this.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I am a bit scared of AI since there is a real case example.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Recently, I needed to create a Kubernetes cluster infrastructure.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I can never work with it.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't know where it's started.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I spent an hour for a decent AI prompt and the following structure was done within Peck minute.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's incredible and a little bit scary as you said that you must feel like somewhat of a heretic sometimes trying to wake everyone up with everything that you think might happen and everybody else is like, no, no, this is great.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And nobody else that shares your views in the community that you can share ideas with etc.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Or is this just something that you feel at the moment?

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: No one shares the thoughts with me, everyone thinks it's all and it's called me in a sphere of developer.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to my best friends but I really, I became a reply irreplaceable part for a svats.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: For example, I do architecture design planning and science development business strategies, marketing strategies and analysis of markets.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything is done with AI. It saves your time. You're using it as a tool.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But the best self-explanatory case of a residential danger is this cluster Kubernetes infrastructure.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great example. And more positive news, I think open source development has gained significant traction too.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So would you say the key benefits are of building an open source platform like svats and how do you engage with the developer community to drive innovation?

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Because this is one of the things that really excites me and people talking about AI but that developer community collaborating working together driving innovation.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: That's where the cold stuff is, right?

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. I am truly agree with you that open source platforms benefit from the collection knowledge and the general creative job for the developer community.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: If we are talking about svatrix, we offer a complete visibility into platforms codebase.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's crucial in building trust with users. They can check how is data handled.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They can check that we are not lying that we store there, they anywhere and it positions us as credible and valuable product on the market.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And I truly believe that everything must be open source.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's great if you want to have ecosystem, we are building svatrix ecosystem everywhere right now.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: People can use their own plugins integrations.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But they can modify it, but for having the one and if all projects are open source, it would be possible as well.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got them on more example. We have a customer as is he even created.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He created all of the visualization with svatrix made an article and we've got a lot of user traffic on the website.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Right at the beginning of the podcast in your intro use you also mentioned you've authored a book called Your Journey to Fluent Python.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So how is that right? How is writing that book influence your perspective on software development and for anybody listening maybe they opening up a window and checking that out on Amazon or any book selling out there.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: What was your hope when writing it that your readers would take away from that book?

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's another long story. Back in 2021 I learned how to type Hello World and I wanted to open and hit this school from the moment.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I was born to still 20, 20, 3 to gain sufficient experience, no machine 18 general.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And for IG school, I need to have several things. First thing is materials. The lessons themselves to teach other people.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Second one is 18 infrastructure of the school. I have one interesting idea about transform the current education system and the third one is learners.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So in 20, 20, 3 I started from the program created a big table of wisdom context what I wanted to share during my lessons.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And in a year I realized that my lessons helped transform into a huge book about Python consisting 500 pages with svatrix structure with information and that's how your journey to fluent Python was created.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Initially it was just a program for school but it turned out into the book.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you enjoy writing that book too? Was something you'd consider doing a game or was it long hard nights typing away that you don't want to return to up here?

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many different experiences when it comes to writing those books.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It was very hard, long nights, boring process. I would even say responsible process.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We need to share with world relevant information.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the hardest projects I have ever made.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a book that I'm coming to a real media next year and they will publish a free interval version of the book.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got to ask that we've talked about what you are afraid of, what you don't like about AI.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But what are some of the most exciting trends or technologies in back end development that you're currently exploring that excited you make you want to jump out about it in the morning?

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: How are they helping shape the future of the field would you say?

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the weekend of the development is in the YouTube of Alvin.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: The most exciting trends for me is probably several other architecture.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll use Lambda, Terraform, Azure Functions.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's great for startups and small teams to make the product quickly not to have over complex management server system.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, several other I mentioned. The second one will be I guess Microsoft Architecture System.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I like Microsoft Services. I enjoy them since the beginning of my career and I pursue with them to own now.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: We have two AI services in Zvatrix and consider moving our some logic which is suggested by our team lead and to have a Microsoft Architecture.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But I have to admit, I work for Blackout Architecture on Azure right now.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The project is 11 years old. It's got legacy.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's monolithic system and it works at a Swiss clock.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you can build such a great product, if you can build such a great monolithic system which will best stay for a year,

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you should definitely consider trying to monolithic systems as well.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So,

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: for the Microsoft Services are good, but monolithic is great as well if you have relevant skills and can build reliable project.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: What else?

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: In the UK, I was introduced to GraphQL.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's relatively, I don't like this protocol. It's very hard to work with.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But I suggest definitely taking a look into this.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: If you work, if you have complex relationships,

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: don't you don't need to build a rest API in order to,

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you need to build GraphQL in order to reduce data overfried shrink.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: For a GraphQL, I guess it's it and what can last one Kubernetes.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That feeling like a Kubernetes in my opinion, it's revolution for the box.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. Of course, take looking to a Y-development data science.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Understand how big large large language models work and figure out with prompt engineering.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's full be very important skills for developers next year.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And listening to your story here at the Orange credible journey that you've been on and the work you don't

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_00]: from all through the book to your time at sweatshirts and black cow.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like you're so busy in spending so many different places as an entrepreneur and a software engineer.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got to ask, how do you balance the demands of running a startup,

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: staying ahead in the fast-paced world of technology, particularly in the air is like AI and back end development.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Any tips you could share there on how you find it or if I was in the day to do all of this?

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what comes in mind is my schedule.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I have extremely well organized life.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I wake up at 5 am, it can be 6 am or a little bit later,

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if I go to bed at 1 or 2.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: After waking up, I go to play some tennis, business my brand trovers are for the work.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Come back, taking coach, our cooking food for the cold day, cleaning up the house and starting to work in my full dive and job.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So, everything from my home routine is sorted, health routine is sorted and I can completely focus on goals.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you need to have a focus.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that you should be an old in every single thing that you need to do in any particular areas you're interested in.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You should be involved in them, but you have to decide and focus on the main goal.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And puts all the florts into one thing.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: For example, your journey to fluent Biden was created you do this consistency.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So, the saying goes where attention goes energy flows and I love everything you've just mentioned there.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that you've lost me on is the cold shower is, do you find a benefit from those cold showers?

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I did go through a phase of trying it but I think I'm just too weak and Molly called to handle it.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So, are you used to it now the cold shower thing?

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's very hard to overcome yourself but it gives you a boost and energy in a positive whole day.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: On the end of the morning or if you cannot wake up, the cold shower will be like you're out for the cup of coffee.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Brilliant.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we started the podcast talking about your origin story there at the journey that you've been on but none of us are able to achieve any success without a little help along the way.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So, is that a particular person that you're grateful towards maybe they saw something in you invested a bit at a time and you helped you get you where you are today?

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I want to say thank you to my parents.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They invested a lot of words into myself.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They paid for English classes.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: They did everything for me to be successful in Britain.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Without them, I wouldn't know English language and my integration wouldn't be sad smooth, thank us.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Secondly, I want to mention my partner, my wife and my love of my class Alexander at the way it's come.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: She had been always with me through all difficult times.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: She went through everything.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I made sure an offer a year and a half ago.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: The third person I once mentioned that Andrew and Jim Asum, he's my best friend.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I found him when I was looking for a different than developer and he became best friends.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I pulled him over to the game.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We chilled together and joined play tennis, build businesses, evolving.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And the last thing I wanted to say thank you to Alexander Richard Wood.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He was my first British employer.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And Alex, if you are listening this, of course you will be because I will send you a link.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very grateful you really helped me to get in my feet in Britain.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe that yours, no one startup will succeed.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He's building a startup, can I?

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll try it as well, please.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Go for it.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So Alex is a president for you.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He's building startup, no someone.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's platform.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: From what I understood it's a platform where you can first someone to a job.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And they are building community of employers, candidates,

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Revers and media partners.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So please, nails, audience, could you Google Nelson Wong and Snattercent,

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Sub敗 British Market?

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it has to absolutely look like.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And although this is a tech podcast, one of the things that drives me to record this every single day

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: is the community of people who are seamlessly collaborating soathlessly helping each other

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: on their own journey.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And your answer there was a great example of that and the people that you're thanking

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_00]: they have played a huge part in your journey.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they don't fully appreciate just how much you're grateful towards that help.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: How much it has helped you?

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, you want to repay that back size.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely beautiful.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So big shout out to all those people.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You should be going a nice, was he warm feeling inside?

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Because you really made a difference to my, my guess, life today.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And feedback to you, my friend.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_00]: What's the best place for anyone listening to find out more information about anything we talked

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: about today?

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Talk with you, connect with you or your team?

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Where would you like to point everyone listening at anywhere in particular?

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Please reach out.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Me on LinkedIn, just Google, the e-hort, Jim Lugur.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I wanted to leave a link for that.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Google your journey to Flynn, fighting.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Please start using Spatrix.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Please take a look into Nelson one.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that's the common way online presence.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Brilliant. Well, what I will do.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll add links to everything you mentioned, including your book, your journey to Flynn and Python as well.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And it'd be great to hear when I encourage anyone listening to reach out and contact you directly.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You've been on an inspiring journey.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And we've only scratched this surface of it today.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So I know there is so much more that you've got to share.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And give to the tech community too.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: More than anything else to pick.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for taking time out.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I your data, sit down with me here and share your story.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what it's all about.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Technology working best when it brings people together.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So thanks for sharing your journey today.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for carrying the nail on Europe both guys.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I think my guest journey teaches us so much about resilience, adaptability and innovation in the tech world.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And today we explored his path from Ukraine to the UK.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: He's work at sweatshirts and his vision for a future of software development.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And how privacy focused open-source solutions, light, sweathirts are actually making waves in web analytics

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and forgiving is a bit of a glimpse into how AI could revolutionize back end development, but with a warning for my guest to know.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So please, if your cure is to learn more about his work, whether it's sweathirts or his book, your journey to fluent Python,

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_00]: please make sure you connect with him on LinkedIn.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it will go a long way.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean a lot to him so please do that.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And as for you listening what impact do you think AI and open source development will have on the future of tech?

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's now time for you to join the conversation.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me how we can better navigate the changes and challenges and opportunities ahead.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: As always, techbloggeri to at rook.com, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram just at Neil Seahuse.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But time for me to go now, quit in time so I'll be back with another episode tomorrow.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening, please join me again tomorrow.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But bye for now.